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Post by Artemis on Mar 28, 2008 20:46:23 GMT
It actually should. I show on the side, but I strive to actually get good poses. Not ones that are half good, but are pretty much just ****. If you actually want to show, try to get a good pose. Try and get one that would actually place on a site other then this and you can stick with that pose. Don't get some half ass pose just because you are too lazy to try and get one with good eyelids or slanted. Actually work with the dog. Don't be all like, "Well my dog won't pose." Did you train it? I doubt it. Did you work with it for HOURS, not effin minutes? Probably not. So actually work to get poses. Or educate yourself on what a pose actually is =P
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Post by Kelli♥Belli on Mar 29, 2008 2:11:59 GMT
. Did you work with it for HOURS, not effin minutes? Probably not. Ok WOW yea so people probably didn't spend hours doing this because the rest of us probably have LIVES. Lives that don't just include sitting at the f*ckin computer for hours when you could be with REAL animals and people. Artemis for real I tried to just yano be nice to you and ignore you but my god GIVE IT UP! Go meet some people, really. You need REAL friends. Live ones yano. Cuz obviously you are too obsessed with this game. Yes petz are fun and cool and cute...but my god if you care that much...I feel sorry for you.
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Post by Kelli♥Belli on Mar 29, 2008 2:52:08 GMT
n dont try to sit there n come up w/ somethin about me to reply w/ trust me a lot of others have wanted to say this to u or do want to but im the one here now n i got balls so this is spoken for me and all the others who think you are mean, uptight, and annoying.
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Post by Musicali3 on Mar 29, 2008 3:04:12 GMT
Yeah.. it's a game.. i wouldn't dedicate my life to it. and i try to get good poses and have asked people.. but i don't really think jpg really matter all that much but i do see what you mean with the png it's clearer. but i think it's really dumb that people place unaligned dogz ahead of aligned dogz. i definitely do not. i just don't place the dogz that are unaligned and don't disqualify them. it could be the best they can do and yes i know it is easy to use a mouse and pose and stuff. but for some people it isn't and i know it is hard my dogs are soooo hyper. it's crazy. so a lot of them i can't get to stand still long enough, but i do have the dogs who will sit there and pose who LOVE getting their pic taken.. like my new chaos wolf.. he LOVES it. but it doesn't look like he is posing because of his head but i've tried for hours and it turns out that is how his head is.. and his nose shine will ALWAYS be like that.
this forum allows any age to come on. and i think that people need to respect that. there are younger people on here who are trying to have fun and trying to learn. they are new. don't be mean. they will eventually learn. even if they don't learn right away. some people it takes longer to learn and people to realize that not everyone is like you.. some people it takes longer, and some people don't care as much as you do. you shouldn't take their bad poses seriously. just be nice about it. it's NOT the end of the world. trust me. it's a game.. they are not real.. so it can be hard.. like in real life i show animals.. and i can physically move their feet and body to align them if they don't stretch and pose automatically.. with these you can not..
but yes.. we shouldn't hate on anyone.. and the people who are judging and placing dogs who are unaligned and stuff above dogs who are aligned should not be doing so, and i certainly do not do so.. just stating. lol. some of us should take the extra time to help the newbies. and the people who snap at them should be less harsh. if you state that the dog is unaligned then you should state why. not just put 'you are DQ'd because your dog is not posing.' state why and offer some help. I know that the best help i got was from neffie and someone of the rkc who actually took my picture and circle and highlighted what was wrong and told me how to fix it and told me how it should be and ever since then i knew what to look for.
and, kelli.. you rock my socks. ;-)
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Post by Selena on Mar 29, 2008 3:06:03 GMT
^ Actually, by law you're supposed to be over 13.
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Post by Musicali3 on Mar 29, 2008 3:15:44 GMT
yeah but people lie about their age. i know when i was like 11 i sometimes did.. but i was older for my age.. but people still shouldn't lie to get on to this board and should abide by the rules.. but we still should like.. idk the word.. umm.. respect them? no.. that's not it.. idk.. like maybe be ready and expect that.. yeah.. i have no idea what i was saying.. lol.
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Post by Musicali3 on Mar 29, 2008 3:20:09 GMT
and... yeah.. umm.. maybe you shouldn't assume how long someone has done something.. because like.. you are not them.. you are not in their shoes.. so you don't know how long they have been doing something, or how long they spent on something.. because you don't know what they think, what they do, etc. you are not them. so.. yeah.. maybe we should not assume and only base things on fact. yes. facts are nice.. but not all the time too..
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Post by Selena on Mar 29, 2008 4:58:16 GMT
Actually any forum can be shut down for having members under 13 if it's discovered that they are.
So they need to abide by the rules just like everyone else does.
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Post by xxnefariousxx on Mar 29, 2008 5:42:47 GMT
No one is perfect at posing dogz. But I, too, am a big *insert word here* when it comes to judging shows. I look solely for feet placement and the alignment of the toes/head/straight on face. I don't think it's very fair when you see a misplaced Coonhound win over a nicely posed Parson's Jack Russel.
Hmn, sorry, but this bothered me. Kelli, you're my friend and I respect you; Artemis, you're the same way. So I just want to say that Artemis has been working on Petz longer than I know of. Golly, I've been playing Petz back since I remember and even then, Artemis was there reigning above all. *shrug* I don't think it was right of her rudeness, but she has a strong point and I respect it, due to the fact that I know she's been on the game longer than I have. An image is a lot easier with a .gif or .PNG. And yes, the .jpg or .jpeg makes the image that much worse.
And actually yes, it usually does take a good hour or two make a decent pose. Training your dogz when young helps it out in the long shot. Because then by the time they're older, they are acquainted withe camera, not scared by it, and are capable of instantly striking a pose. Training is a factor to it. Decent showing takes commitment which some showers seem to lack these days. :\
Obsession has nothing to do with this game - it's all a sense of professionalism, which Artemis holds. I think that professionalism might come off as rude or conceited to some people. To me, it's a sense of maintaining the real PKC aura. And a PKC show would never accept an unaligned dog or unwanted image file. Artemis is trying to keep the spirit of the original Petz game alive with real poses and professional judges. And real poses and professional judges do not included misalignment or blurry images.
Sorry if this isn't my place. >.> Just felt like I had a say on Misalignment JPG rant stuff too...
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Post by Artemis on Mar 29, 2008 12:45:22 GMT
How do you know I don't have a life? I have a boyfriend, my best friend for 15 years, and probably about six or seven reeeally close friends. Then I've just got the random people I hang around with but don't care about.
Maybe you should tell Kelli that. Apparently she thinks I have no life, when she doesn't even bloody know me.
I do play my Petz game rarely, but I don't have to spend hours on poses like you guys should. I trained my dogz and I get them within five minutes and I'm done. For you guys, it's like "Well I suck at posing my dog so.. I give up. Let's enter this not-even-posing dog to give the judges a migraine." Like, honestly. You won't win this. APKC may not have professional shows, that judge properly (well, I do know Selena holds some and she's awesome) but you could at least bloody put some work into it. Instead of being immature, probably 10 year olds sneaking onto forums where, by law, you shouldn't be here.
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Post by ...analu! on Mar 29, 2008 13:42:51 GMT
^ the PETZ game is actually aimed for a younger audience.. and so most petz forums WILL have younger children. everyone knows it's wrong, but i assume that since the forum's intent is a GAME for that AUDIENCE, proboards wouldn't necessarily shut APKC down. Especially with the rules that Lesley and Lindsey have on here, there's nothing "too mature" for the younger crowd to experience?
and RKC prolly has little children pretending to be older, i mean, who has NEVER done that (whether irl or here?) most people have. then they mature, look back, laugh at it, and look at all the friends they made in the meantime, you know? i think it's no big deal, as long as there's nothing "too much" on here for them.
but as for the showing, it's what's already been stated, APKC is aimed for a younger audience that doesn't always comprehend that your dog has to be posed correctly, etc.etc. and that's mostly the judge's fault, imo, because if the judges explained to them what was wrong, then they'd most likely go and correct that.
but idk i guess both sides are wrong in a way, sure, they need to pose well, but little children don't always comprehend. even judges who are younger. so idk if i were you i'd just ignore the showing part of APKC if it doesn't appeal to you.. because when this forum was bigger and more active, the showing part was better too. the reason it's not like that anymore is because the forum's highly inactive. stick to RKC and you'll be a lot more content with the shows, i suppose?
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Post by Musicali3 on Mar 29, 2008 15:16:44 GMT
artemis.. there you go assuming things. honestly. you are the queen of assuming things. it's rather annoying. i judge fairly. i don't place dogz her unaligned over dogz who are. so don't assume that only you and selena are the best judges. and on a personal note, i atleast have been trying. i took what was said on the rkc and started to work harder than i have been and have actually asked people for help, as you, artemis, have seen on that forum.
it's a lose lose situation. both sides think they are right and they are in a way. but no one is going to win and it's just going to get even more personal with things being said to hurt one another. and like ana said.. i really don't think the apkc will be shut down due to people lying about their age, they don't pay that much attention to it, and since petz is aimed at a younger audience then i really don't think the apkc is going anywhere. i know that when was 7 or 8 i was playing petz.. i had the first petz game.. and then all the rest.. so yeah.. younger people place and at like 11 when i had gotten my pet 3 game i was adopting from people online and stuff.. so definitely there are younger crowds on here and you can usually tell who they are.. i know some of the people on here i younger than what their profile says.. and i help them according.
oh.. and the law is really not going to do anything about it.. like really people lie about their age on pretty much ever forum there is.. there is always someone.. so again, apkc is not going to go anywhere.. people should not lie about their age, but it happens and there is nothing that we can do about it.
and i totally agree about the picture thing.. png is better.. i noticed it when i had to change the picture from jpg to png for one of artemis' shows.. but i don't require it in my shows.. if you want to enter png go ahead.. if the picture is better and the pose is great then you might place higher than everyone else because of it.
the apkc is fun.. petz is fun.. so like.. let's just keep it fun.. it's not all that big of a deal that you enter a dog who is unaligned, just don't place them and people who enter, ignore them and don't take their dog seriously. people shouldn't stop showing because people have a huge problem with poses that are a little bit off. that takes the fun out of the game. i know i stopped showing on the rkc after being personally attacked many times for dublin's show pose and being told that i don't care and stuff. once i get 'the best' 'the perfect' pose then maybe i will show again there.. but it's seriously not a fun forum at all after that little rant session.. very high school i thought..
and, you shouldn't attack kelli and question her about her petz and showing ability.
and now, for some john lennon.
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one
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Post by Selena on Mar 29, 2008 18:18:14 GMT
^ the PETZ game is actually aimed for a younger audience.. and so most petz forums WILL have younger children. everyone knows it's wrong, but i assume that since the forum's intent is a GAME for that AUDIENCE, proboards wouldn't necessarily shut APKC down. Especially with the rules that Lesley and Lindsey have on here, there's nothing "too mature" for the younger crowd to experience? and RKC prolly has little children pretending to be older, i mean, who has NEVER done that (whether irl or here?) most people have. then they mature, look back, laugh at it, and look at all the friends they made in the meantime, you know? i think it's no big deal, as long as there's nothing "too much" on here for them. but as for the showing, it's what's already been stated, APKC is aimed for a younger audience that doesn't always comprehend that your dog has to be posed correctly, etc.etc. and that's mostly the judge's fault, imo, because if the judges explained to them what was wrong, then they'd most likely go and correct that. but idk i guess both sides are wrong in a way, sure, they need to pose well, but little children don't always comprehend. even judges who are younger. so idk if i were you i'd just ignore the showing part of APKC if it doesn't appeal to you.. because when this forum was bigger and more active, the showing part was better too. the reason it's not like that anymore is because the forum's highly inactive. stick to RKC and you'll be a lot more content with the shows, i suppose? ^ RKC got a warning to delete all of their younger members or they would be shut down. If it can happen to them, it can happen here too. And age is no excuse really, I know some 10 and younger ones who act far more mature than some 20+ And on a side note: I personally think this should get locked. It's getting out of hand and personal attacks are too much.
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Post by xxnefariousxx on Mar 29, 2008 21:29:25 GMT
And on a side note: I personally think this should get locked. It's getting out of hand and personal attacks are too much. Agreed.
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Post by Daiiz on Mar 29, 2008 21:36:16 GMT
And on a side note: I personally think this should get locked. It's getting out of hand and personal attacks are too much. Agreed. I Also Agree.
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