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Post by Kate on Oct 5, 2003 18:20:04 GMT
I wasn't sure so I didn't want to say they did. But it doesn't matter because I don't go to circusses.
Actaully you do have a choice but I'm not going to argue about it with you.
Prolix how do feel about animals in movies and there trainers.
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Post by liz on Oct 5, 2003 18:43:48 GMT
I don't want him to die. That would be too easy. Imagine the psychological scarring, knowing your treatment of this animal caused him to do that. Living though the horriffic attack..... fun
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Post by Kate on Oct 5, 2003 19:27:32 GMT
Yeah I never thought of it that way. Gosh your so smart Liz. If he will live with fear and regret then I hope he lives. But if not I hope he dies.
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Post by Xiobre on Oct 6, 2003 1:03:16 GMT
yeah, i change my mind! he should live.
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Post by randomwiktor on Oct 6, 2003 14:27:09 GMT
My opinion of animals in movies and their trainers: This depends on the situation. I, of course, not not think that the private ownership of any animals other than livestock, domestic dogs, cats, rabbits, rodents, and ferrets should be legal. My one exception is if the animal has suffered a mishap or trauma and is unreleasable into the wild but in good enough health to survive captive, providing that captivity does not cause undue stress and misery. (example: if I got in a hawk for wildlife rehab who needs a wing amputated and could survive, I would have it euthanized since captivity is very stressful for an adult animal who is terrified of humans and who wishes to fufill his or her natural instincts.) Now, on to training animals for movies. Most animals are trained through some kind of intimidation, or at least through an initial "breaking" followed by a mixture of positive and negative reinforcement. I have read up a good deal on people who train animals for movies, some are good and some are bad. It is correct that some people rescue animals and to afford their upkeep, train them to preform. I would personally rather see the animals in a sanctuary that could provide for their needs without forcing them to do degrading and pointless stunts that inhibit their natural instincts. However, many animal trainers keep their animals in lousy conditions and train them in ways that I do not agree with. Generally I try to avoid patronizing movies which use exotic animals, namely because I am against keeping them captive, and more often than not they are not rescued animals who are "working to pay their upkeep."
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Post by FallonDark on Oct 6, 2003 19:13:43 GMT
I don't want him to die. That would be too easy. Imagine the psychological scarring, knowing your treatment of this animal caused him to do that. Living though the horriffic attack..... fun Good one liz that is so true I bet he will never do it again
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Post by Kate on Oct 6, 2003 21:58:48 GMT
You never know. Just like people who are attacked by dogs. Some people have a fear of them their entire lives but others move on and own dogs of their own.
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Post by liz on Oct 6, 2003 22:05:18 GMT
Yeah but being mauled by an animal you mistreated and being almost killed is different to being attacked by a dog.
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Post by Kate on Oct 6, 2003 22:33:45 GMT
True. I remember when I saw 8 I had a pet rat. Well I wasn't mean to it but at that age I did't realize it didn't like being treated like a baby doll. He attacked my arm and I had to get stitches. We gave him to a friend but I was afraid of rats for the next 2 years.
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Post by FallonDark on Oct 6, 2003 23:34:09 GMT
True. I remember when I saw 8 I had a pet rat. Well I wasn't mean to it but at that age I did't realize it didn't like being treated like a baby doll. He attacked my arm and I had to get stitches. We gave him to a friend but I was afraid of rats for the next 2 years. My friend has a 4 year old and she gave him a pet rat cause he wants a dog but she can't afford one right now. And that rat loves the kid i was thinking there would be problems but so far they have not had any.
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Post by Kate on Oct 6, 2003 23:52:26 GMT
Rats can make great pets. Mine put up with a lot.
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Post by randomwiktor on Oct 7, 2003 0:42:08 GMT
I love rats; rodents in generally really. The only rat I ever had actually had a spongiform virus related to mad cow, so she had deteriorating senses and dementia. However, I have pet-sitted for normal rats and they are wonderful! Mice or more of my bag though, because it is easier to provide adequate cage space.
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Post by liz on Oct 7, 2003 0:43:11 GMT
Don't talk about mice. The more you do, the more i want one. the more i am reminded i can't have one.
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Post by randomwiktor on Oct 7, 2003 1:33:47 GMT
Hmm... he COULD have done what most people do and NOT exploit dangerous animals for profit. By doing that kind of work, you need to accept the risks, just as someone working at a factory accepts the risk of getting hacked up in a machine and nurses accept the risk of getting aids and hepatitis. So, hows about YOU shut up, because no one here agrees with you.
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Post by Kate on Oct 7, 2003 1:43:53 GMT
It's his own fault. I would understand if he where a zoo keeper or worked at a sancuary. But he isn't. And I hope he dies or lives in fear and regrets takeing wild animals from the wild. So I agree with prolix accept for the fact that she doesn't want him to die.
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